I am not really sure where to put this. Given something that was raised in a thread in the Players Lounge that is now locked... I am wondering if there was an oversight in these zones as to where the borders actually are, perhaps the political ones are different?
the Lithe in the drowned lands does belong to Mayene, as our borders extend to include all of the drowned lands, the southern spine, they go up to the stedding and east to the ocean.
I actually think this is highly debatable. If you wish to talk about borders then here is my argument with regard to this (I know the game might or might not support this and I know the "Winged Guard" argument for what their borders are already). A lot of the borders of southeastern clans are fairly debatabe, period. You have two big waring nations with a sort of nomans land between them (Illian and Tear) and another little nation fighting for its independence (Mayene), borders are always going to be in question and all sort of claim the same area of land sometimes. Yes, I do know
in the books all of the drowned lands are considered Mayene and Winged Guard believe that their borders in game extend very close to Tear (encompassing lithe area etc but not mirkwood); they base this on room descriptions and that if you scalp a corpse in this zone it shows as Mayene. Now I don't entirely agree with this as perhaps it was an oversight on the part of zone admin in the creation of the zone or even something they couldn't change without effecting balance in some way. Let me explain why...
When you look at ANY Wheel of Time map it shows that there are two peninsulas east of Tear, the furtherest east is Mayene and they're separated by a swamp/lake. North of Mayene on these maps the drowned lands are labeled however the actual "drowned lands" don't extend across to the western peninsula which on these maps is shown clearly to be within Tear's border. According to these maps the actual border of Mayene is probably about where the patty is on the bridge (which is what I've always thought is the case in game too) and the lithe woman would be part of the western peninsula that is supposed to be part of Tear.
Now I did some investigation in game because this is an issue I am passionate about and I would like for people not to be screwed around over this kind of thing in future as well as I like the accuracy this game usually
has with the actual books its based on. Yes, you can scalp something in this zone and it shows as Mayene. I've gone to the effort to create a visual map with the aid of zMUD to help you understand the borders better (the zone itself is pretty confusing to look at). The rooms I marked red
are within this "mayene" zone and the very border, I marked all the borders to the lithe zone. Yes starting at the first border all e n 2e of Tear's east gate the room name is "Nearing the Drowned Lands", but as they are on the western side of the swamp/lake I argue that these drowned lands are not actually part of Mayene's actual "drowned lands" as shown on other WoT maps.
I am just pointing out this technicality so that others might keep it in mind for any other political disputes. The in game map does not accurately represent the WoT world in the southeast, I highly doubt what it does represent was intended by staff. I also doubt staff would allow the Winged Guard to make a land grab so close to Tear without any distinguishable borders (such as the bridge/choke) just like they won't allow nations to claim Lugard (I know of three that have tried and the staff roasted them). For people who aren't familiar with the politics of the southeast I would like to think clan members would be a little more lenient as not everyone buys into all the wars and people claiming each others land.
- zMUD map I created
- Wheel of Time map for comparison
Also no way in hell do Winged Guard borders go up to the stedding, its a tiny nation fighting for your independence. Even most Winged Guard wouldn't dispute that mirkwood is part of Tear and south spine Tear probably claims too but I would have to check.
I don't know if this makes sense but are the zone borders supposed to be like this?