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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 16th, 2009, 11:14 am 
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But the Forsaken are mostly all arrogant people. I think they wouldnt see it as a risk, since they could just outsmart these 'children' in the tower.

I am still placing my money on Silviana.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 16th, 2009, 5:35 pm 
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Silviana is the new Keeper right? Ex-mistress of Novice's that got reduced to Novice White then imprisoned?

It might just be me, but I can't see Mesaana going along with that.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 16th, 2009, 10:19 pm 
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I can't see it either. Silviana went out of her way to stand up for Egwene in the Hall and was imprisoned for it. Doesn't sound like something a Forsaken would willingly put up with. Don't think they'd be able to tolerate having to simper and curtsy to everyone either. More likely she's just a random Sedai with just enough strength to get her way most often, but not so much that she stands out.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 17th, 2009, 12:15 pm 
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Melindra wrote:
I can't see it either. Silviana went out of her way to stand up for Egwene in the Hall and was imprisoned for it. Doesn't sound like something a Forsaken would willingly put up with. Don't think they'd be able to tolerate having to simper and curtsy to everyone either. More likely she's just a random Sedai with just enough strength to get her way most often, but not so much that she stands out.



Dashiva who. Sounds pretty much like he did. I am not saying Mesaana is Silviana but just thought I would throw that out there.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 17th, 2009, 7:04 pm 
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Pretty sure Dashiva lorded it over peeps as one of Rand's trusted asha'man.

Far cry from what Silviana went through, imprisonment and the like.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 17th, 2009, 7:16 pm 
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Keep in mind that Osan'gar had already died once, and one could imagine him slightly more humbled (thus more willing to fit into a role like Dashiva) than other Chosen.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 19th, 2009, 9:59 pm 
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Funny coincedence. From http://encyclopaedia-wot.org/:

From Danelle's file:
Danelle has two hundred soldiers brought into the White Tower disguised as masons. (TSR,Ch47)

From Mesaana's file:
Mesaana comes to Alviarin for a report on Elaida. She already knows everything that happened, so she eavesdrops. She appears tall and is disguised. She taps her lips while thinking. She orders Alviarin to keep Elaida alive and to encourage her to strengthen the Tower Guard. She warns Alviarin to serve only her, not Semirhage, Demandred or Graendal. (ACoS,Prologue)

The order of the books:
The Dragon Reborn
The Shadow Rising (Danelle)
The Fires of Heaven
Lord of Chaos
A Crown of Swords (Mesaana)


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 20th, 2009, 12:01 am 
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Gnarsh wrote:
Silviana is the new Keeper right? Ex-mistress of Novice's that got reduced to Novice White then imprisoned?

It might just be me, but I can't see Mesaana going along with that.



She wasnt reduced to novice whites...


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 20th, 2009, 2:10 am 
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Callisto wrote:
Gnarsh wrote:
Silviana is the new Keeper right? Ex-mistress of Novice's that got reduced to Novice White then imprisoned?

It might just be me, but I can't see Mesaana going along with that.

She wasnt reduced to novice whites...

Elaida made the decree but Silviana didn't accept it.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 20th, 2009, 9:49 am 
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Okay people I have Sanderson himself as a friend on Facebook and here are quotes about Mesanna he has revealed...

' Brandon Sanderson Re: mesanna. People have been miss-quoting me a lot on this one. Early in the tour someone claimed to have a quote where RJ said...that her alter ego hadn't been seen. This shocked me, since I thought she had been. I have been waiting til I got home to check it out.The only thing official I have said is that someone claimed RJ said on kod tour that she hadn't been seen, and can say nothing until......I am off tour and can research old rj interviews to find if I've missed something. I think it likely the person was mixed up.Word from Maria: RJ said we HAVE seen Mesaana's alter ego on screen.That's good. The guy from DC had me worried. I thought I'd known from the notes exactly who mesanna was, and she has been on screen...

About Cyndane -

'Brandon Sanderson: Okay, time to post about Cyndane for you theorylanders. I have been discussing with Maria all day. She and I have different opinions on.....some things in the notes, but she has convinced me that she is right. I believed that there were some...issues with her power level. Dark one playing tricks to keep everyone guessing. But Maria convinced me her power really is what it seems. So you can disregard my...My comment about her being really really weak and stick with the word I used earlier. "weakened."

Now try pick that apart guys!


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 20th, 2009, 12:51 pm 
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Weir wrote:
Wasn't it Seaine who tried organizing the Aes Sedai during the Seanchan raid on the Tower by setting up a base of operations in the lower section? Why would she do that rather than let the Seanchan create more chaos?



That was Saerin btw. Saerin is the brown sitter. Seaine is the white one. A white sitter would suit Mesaana´s tastes better also imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 20th, 2009, 4:13 pm 
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Ahh. Screw those two S named Aes Sedai :P I can never keep track of those two.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 21st, 2009, 11:38 am 
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I found another interesting thing. When Mat is in the Tower to be Healed, he gets a visit from dear Lanfear. He tries to ask if she's a darkfriend, and she mentions fools serving Ba'alzamon and Mat notes that she is as condescending about them as the so called Aes Sedai. Judging from that, if Mesaana feels the same way she can truthfully say she is not a darkfriend even on the Oath Rod. The Oaths allow you to speak lies if you believe them to be true, after all.

It would suck for a Forsaken to swear the Oaths though, it could have nasty implications when it comes to killing and telling lies. So if Egwene is smart she has the bloody thing guarded VERY well and anyone who shows up for it...


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 23rd, 2009, 11:45 am 
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Razhak wrote:
Weir wrote:
Wasn't it Seaine who tried organizing the Aes Sedai during the Seanchan raid on the Tower by setting up a base of operations in the lower section? Why would she do that rather than let the Seanchan create more chaos?



That was Saerin btw. Saerin is the brown sitter. Seaine is the white one. A white sitter would suit Mesaana´s tastes better also imo.


We have a POV from Seaine, though, as she was the person that Elaida went to to get her to hunt for Alviarin. In her POV she discusses being novices with Pevara. I don't think it's Seaine.

It could be Saerin, but we also have a POV from her. And Yukiri if I recall correctly. I don't recall a Doseine POV.

I had thought Mesaana was Silviana for a long time, and while it's remotely possible that she would have allowed herself to be imprisoned and shielded by two women (knowing that she could likely break that shield and invert/reverse weaves and get out of her cell), since Mesaana said to Sheriam she wanted Egwene deposed I don't think she would have done anything to prop up Egwene in the Tower ev4n if it would have aided chaos by harming Elaida.

I don't think she's Laras either, because Laras's reasoning for helping Egwene was the same reasoning she used when she went to Sheriam and said she didn't want the Supergirls being punished like they were either -- that she would not aid the breaking of a woman's spirit.

I will say that I'm not sure if I would put too much into the "watery blue" thing as Sanderson first described Suana as "plump" then less than two weeks later as "bony".


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: November 30th, 2009, 9:08 pm 
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Well, we have to ask the question - how did Mesaana get around swearing on the Oath rod? She can probably fake an ageless face (or act newly raised), but what about the second ceremony, with Egwene?


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: December 8th, 2009, 12:22 pm 
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Razhak wrote:
Weir wrote:
Wasn't it Seaine who tried organizing the Aes Sedai during the Seanchan raid on the Tower by setting up a base of operations in the lower section? Why would she do that rather than let the Seanchan create more chaos?



That was Saerin btw. Saerin is the brown sitter. Seaine is the white one. A white sitter would suit Mesaana´s tastes better also imo.


Mesaana is described more like a brown than a white at the beginning of the book: "Sometimes Graendal thought Mesaana had gone over to the Shadow because it offered a more interesting opportunity for research."

Danelle is the leading candidate in my opinion - she is a Brown with blue eyes who was one of Elaida's party that takes Siuan into custody, and she was one of the first people Alviarin passes between Elaida's quarters and her own. That being said, Danelle might be too obvious.

I thought of Silvania when I was reading too, but I'm not sure how she would have dodged the Black Ajah oath, unless Chosen isn't considered Black Ajah. It would be a good twist though. Her actions would make sense as well - seeing Eliada's downfall as inevitable, she throws her weight behind Egwene to put herself in a position of power. Also, before she became Chosen, she was a teacher, which would be similar to her Mistress of Novices position.

I hadn't thought of Laras but that would be a good twist too and a way to escape re-swearing on the oath rod to evade detection. Laras is still a mysterious character - I remember Egwene noting that she has the look of an Aes Sedai and wondering, 'who is this woman'. Laras as Mesaana, might also have seen Egwene winning the battle for Amyrlin against Elaida, which would make her actions to try and 'help' Egwene escape understandable (i.e. if she supporrted Elaida, she may have thought that Egwene would do less damage outside of the Tower).


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: December 10th, 2009, 12:19 am 
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Danelle is my current best bet.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: December 22nd, 2009, 11:32 am 
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Danelle is the far and away front runner for being Mesaana. Mesaana wanted to do intense research before the War of Power. It has been said several times that she joined the Shadow just because the school made her be a teacher instead of a researcher. All of that is very Brownish. I don't remember when, but I believe it was an Alviarin scene that had Mesanna in a dress with brown trim (or was it brown with gold trim?) There aren't any other really good candidates either. Razhak had me going a second with Seiane, but there are some problems with that. As has already been pointed out, we've had a Seaine POV where she thinks of herself as Seiane and a White. No Chosen so far has ever thought of themselves as who they were disguising themselves as. Also, what could taking an Oath on the Oath Rod do to someone of their age?


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
PostPosted: December 22nd, 2009, 1:59 pm 
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Danelle and Mesanna are both referred to in the books as having 'big blue eyes'.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is Mesaana? ***SPOILERS***
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Bloody flaming Browns, darkfriends the lot of them!

Divina,
the umm yeah... that dirty colored Sedai.


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